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Glad to see we have this forum posted 25 January 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: "Grallon":1pomx2sn

I didn't say the cosmology wasn't coherent or plausible from Earwa's inhabitants point of view. But this is a primitive world whose understanding of the universe is limited. My point was that it isn't credible for the Inchoroi, who are amoral materialists through & through, to buy in all this cosmology. They *are* from the outside - they know better. Why would they start fearing for their souls just because they landed on that particular world ?!
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The idea that led to the first Apocalypse, about Redemption of the Soul by sealing off the world from the Outside, was that of the Mengaeda (sp?), the Gnostic School of Human Sorcerors who would become the bulk of the Consult.

While Earwa may be primitive in many cases, I think their understanding of the way things work is relatively sound. Perhaps it is a case where belief shapes reality. We do know their are Agencies in the Outside who will prey upon or Redeeem mortal souls when those souls pass to the Outside. I'm not sure if the Inchoroi fear for their own souls, I'll have to go back through TTT on a more thorough re-read for that or perhaps ask Scott in the Q&A section of the forum, or whether it was simply their knowledge that led to the Consults ideas.

The Inchoroi definitly have a better understanding of the Outside and the way things work, perhaps, if the Inchoroi do fear for their souls it is because they know that be coming to Earwa they are subject to the same rules. While they are in a sense amoral (I don't really think they are amoral their world view/morality is just totally alien to ours), and they know that souls are subject to the Agencies of the Outside, they would do what they can to prevent damnation.

From what I have understood there are essentially three things that can happen when you die:

1)Your Soul fades into Oblivion.
2)You are "damned", and your Soul taken to be eternally tormented by the crueler forces of the Outside
3)You are Redeemed. One of the Benign Agencies of the Outside takes your Soul under it's protection.

If we assume these are all very real cases, which it is my understanding that they are, and that the Inchoroi have souls (they work Sorcery so they must have Souls) then upon their deaths, when their Souls again pass into the Outside, they are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

They hope for Oblivion because there is no chance for Redemption in the conventional sense. They passed through the Outside in some sort of craft for lack of a better word so I do not think they are native Agencies of the Outside, they simply travelled through it.

<!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Anyway thats my take on the whole thing from what I read, that was sort of rambling anf incoherent in parts but that is what happens when I write as I am thinking. view post


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