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Countering the Argument posted 03 July 2009 in NeuropathCountering the Argument by Callan S., Auditor

In terms of free will and decision making (and taking it your summing up of the arguement is roughly on target - it's been awhile since I read it), I think the utterly deterministic model is a self forfilling prophesy. Essentially the human mind (probably alot moreso than any other animal) can to a degree, observe itself. This creates a powerful feedback loop. Maybe someones addicted to cigarettes. But unlike an animal, they can see the hunger in them - they can forceably try and block it. Sure, maybe they'll cave in latter. But an animal would just go smoke a cigarette - they are that deterministic. A human looks at themselves working and their actions aren't soley on the animal level - their actions are affected by that self reflection.

Is that self reflection deterministic? Essentially yes, but it's a far more bloody complicated determinism. Because the system isn't just operating on stimuli from the outside world, it's operating on stimuli from the inner world, which is affected by the outside world, which is affected by the inner world, which is...and so on. No doubt for some things a single feedback loop could even go on for years. Bloody complicated - to just call us a deterministic machine is to indulge in a world simplifying illusion itself - like the illusion of 'solid' objects, when objects aren't solid, they are mostly empty. To see it as determinism is a simplification illusion, rather than a reason to think the human mind operates like simple clockwork. Objects appear solid. The processes of the mind appears to be clockwork. These are the illusions. view post


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