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Do you believe a God exists? posted 25 April 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Cynadar, Candidate

Quote: "Andrew":v1ey83rb
The comment about God creating lucifer is equally pertinent to the question of God creating people. Knowing they would reject him.[/quote:v1ey83rb]

Exactly. Why the f*** would God create ANYTHING that he knew would betray him!? Makes no sense, huh?

Time cannot be perceived of as an effect; rather, for our own understanding, it NEEDS to be thought of as a fourth dimension. Based on previous knowledge, the universe in infinite. The universe, in essence, contains everything, all previous 4 dimensions included. Therefore, the is no limit to the amount of space in the universe or the amount of time. Time is infinite; it has no beginning or end. Nothing can possibly precede that which is older then the age of the current universe itself. There is no possibility that a god (or any higher being) can exist once this knowledge is established.

And what about my comment on God supposedly being a great forgiver, yet refusing all who have differing world views but manage to live a good life?

And moving on to "Either nothing created everything or god created everything" argument: Not true. As I mentioned above, there is no beginning or end to time. Therefore, everything has been in existence for longer than this very universe has. It has simply shifted state due to certain effects such as the universe expansion.

Science is not a gamble. It is a study of effects of what we already know in order to determine what we don't. For example, testing drugs on animals. We use the drugs on animals to determine the fundamentals of how the drug will work and affect the body. Once we establish these key basics of how the drug works, we attempt to study its effects on humans, knowing that they will be similar, but not exactly the same. So we find the final effects after months of testing on animals who share similary characteristics (one reason why we classify animals into groups such as Mammals. Is that a gamble? Relying on hundreds of years of work that animals can be classified into distinct groups to help with tasks such as this?).

Let's take that child in the largest library in the universe example and make it truly useful. The child reads and understands everything presented in the text. He then sits down and thinks about everything the book has just taught him. He thinks this over in a new light that the author hadn't thought about. He then comes up with some a new hypothesis and puts it to the test. Working on countless experiments, he soon finds a new law that holds true for everything he has experimented with. Is this known as learning nothing that he didn't already know? view post


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