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Free Will posted 01 October 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionFree Will by tellner, Peralogue

Quote: "Aesmael":2q3e9czx
If we accept the implication of science (sounds like we are talking about a person <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> ) about are lack of free will, would that still apply to, for example, a disembodied consciousness?
It seems to me that whatever form the mind takes the decisions it makes depend upon the inputs (stimuli?) that prompt the decision. That the result depends on the input and, therefore, the mind does not have free will because what it does is predetermined by external factors. And if it it does not base its decisions on this basis and instead chooses randomly, is it really making decisions at all.
That was messy. I think my argument could be summarised thus: A process of evaluation is inherently deterministic.[/quote:2q3e9czx]

What do you mean "the implication of science about lack of free will". Science is a way of looking at the world. These methods in and of themselves say nothing about free will or lack thereof. If you mean that the results of current research indicate that our thoughts and perceptions are limited by the machinery that's doing the sensing and thinking and shaped by past experience, well, sorry to break the news to you bro, it's true.

You don't even need to get scientific about it.


1) All existence is imperfect, conditioned by contact, leads to the continuation of karma (dukka).

2) This imperfection arises out of attachment to the past

3) There is an end to dukka.

4) It lies in following the noble eightfold path of

1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration

Or, to put it another way, you have a certain amount of autonomy, but what you are is influenced by what you are and your experiences. You still have choices, and the fact that they aren't all automatic (and the fact that we can be creative in any sense) means that you have at least a measure of free will.

Get over it. Don't worry about it. view post


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