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Is the idea of a "god" inherent in our minds? posted 09 September 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionIs the idea of a "god" inherent in our minds? by Grantaire, Moderator

Whoah, like I said, I do not reject science, just society's inclination to rely on it toatally, and I am not talking about the sciences of technology or medicine, although the most medicine seems to be able to do these days is almost cure hairloss, and give you a 45 hour hard on

Nice observation <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> I agree that humanity shouldn't rely on science totally, but that doesn't seem to be the case anyway. Sure, we're inclined to believe the science that we hear, because we trust the scientific method. But when a friend or loved one dies, do people pray to science for comfort? Do they worship at the altar of science to answer their pleas for meaning and aid? No, they turn to religion and sometimes philosophy. I admit it myself, for all my claims of nihilism and scientific examination, I sometimes pray. It is comforting to think that maybe, just maybe there is some all-powerful, benevolent god out there willing to help me. I know that is not a very likely scenario, but it is still comforting sometimes. So even people such as I don't rely on science entirely.
I do, I just think in a way that is totally different. I think that believing that Humanity is the only thing that matters is loosing sight of humanity in it's most important sense ( to me at least), a part of a whole.

I get what you're saying here- and don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you, at least in part. We can look at earth and humanity in the bigger picture of the universe as a whole. But humans, by nature are concerned for the large part only about their own good and self-advancement. So naturally, we look at things that are important and relevant to ourselves. Ever heard the theory that even acts that would seem to be altruistic are for motives of self-gain and advancement, even if subconciously? We just naturally tend to focus on things that are more important to our own survival, reproduction, and gain...
Self correcting in it's own, how should I put this, plane of beliefs (really bad way to put this) evidence to support mans view of the world is one thing, but to claim that it is truly how the world exists is laughable. It is also a form of faith.

You're quite correct. Science is self-correcting in its own...view (you're also right in that there's no way to put that well <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> ). Maybe this world is just like the Matrix showed, and we're all just brains in vats. Or maybe we are just the dreams of a butterfly. We can't know the fundamental truths such as that, and science can't show us that. Maybe this entire world is only ideas. Maybe we are just the toys of some god. Who knows? We can't, and won't know. But science can show us things in the...plane that we see them. And that is what is relevant, because it is what we can understand. Do you get what I'm saying? Maybe science can't show us a fundamental truth below the surface of this reality, but if we can't ever see that "truth", does it make the discoveries of science any less worthwhile?
As I also said, I do not agree with religion either, I admit to believing in a God, but I tend to try and be the best person I can be without the Indiana Jones Leap Of Faith.

An admittance to myself, my belief in a God has been slipping away for a little while now, I really do not know what to believe, it may be nothing. It may be a blend of religion and science, and plain old spirituality. Eh. what are beliefs anyway but grandiose opinions. Wink

I'm in the same boat, really. I've been raised Roman Catholic, but as I discover more of the world, and things such as science and philosophy, my mind seems to be automatically bent on systematically destroying my religious upbringing. My belief in god and the other teachings of the church has been slipping for a while now. I too try to be the best person possible, because even if there is no god, I still believe a basic level of morality is important.

I'm enjoying this conversation quite a bit <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


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