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Breaker of Horses and Men posted 22 September 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Shell, Peralogue

Well, according to the Catholic Church you don't have to be insane to be possessed... <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

(Did I miss something? I really tried to read slow, but just had to find out &quot;what happens&quot; so read faster than I should have. Where was Cnaiur possessed?)

Curethan, I think I see where we are disagreeing. I think you are saying insane = psychopath=complete break with reality, and I am using &quot;crazy&quot; as more of a generic term, in the sense of having a grasp of reality.

Conphas - psychopath, or at least bipolar or something
Serwe - completely delusional
You could give these two Prozac by IV and they both would still completely living on another planet.

Murder and rape does not mean one is insane by itself, or every crimanal in this country would get off on an insanity plea. Besides, *eveyone&quot; rapes and murders in this story. Being female, the only person I'd feel safe with is Proyas (maybe), and Akka (he's still mooning over Esmi and wouldn't notice me). Kellhus would just talk me out of my clothes and make me think it was my own idea...

As far as killing your alliies, Cnaiur was a tool and he knew it. He wasn't hanging with these people because they were his buddies. In fact, I felt nobody even acknowledged that he was human as nobody even addressed him by name, it was always &quot;the Scylevendi&quot;. And the war was his tool to get him to Moe. It was mentioned that when the Scylevendi weren't fighting Nansur, they were fighting each other, so the concept of ally was slippery at best.

I think people can do crazy things under extreme situations. How many people have heard of mothers being &quot;crazy with grief&quot; and throwing themselves on a child's coffin? Is she really insane (break with reality)? No, but three years later and she is still doing the same thing? Probably insane.

Another real-life example. During the early part of WW II, the Nazi's cut off food to Holland during the winter of '41 or '42 - the Dutch Hunger Winter, and some really fascinating epidemiological studies have come from it. Like any story of famine, these people were eating grass, leaves, boiling shoe leather with rat meat for a touch of flavor...and eating the dead guy who froze to death the night before. When interviewing these people years later, they would say they were completly sane, but having to do crazy things to survive.

My point being that people who are under duress, may do crazy things or appear crazy, but are in touch with reality.

As far as the skin spies, once again I saw Cnaiur as using them as tools to get what he wanted, Now,(and I hope I don't get banned or whatever for this!) didn't it seem that Scott *almost* wrote these skin-spies sympathetically? At least they weren't as odious as Sarcellus, seemed to give him a modicrum of respect and even sort of had conversations?

So, OK, I will go with Cnaiur doing some really strange and &quot;crazy&quot; things, but painfully in touch with reality.

You think he is a good person? Hmmm, that is really interesting, I will have to think on that one. I absolutely agree that he was trapped between his people and the Dunyain. Maybe they are the crazy ones... <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Anyway, love the discussion! You eally make me think about things and defend my position. Thank you! view post


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