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TTT, that which comes after and golgotterath? posted 02 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]TTT, that which comes after and golgotterath? by Buckethead, Peralogue

I just finished rereading the series and i am left with a few thoughts both of the past and future. I know i posted this recently under author Q & A but i think it relates to what i am about to bring up as well. this is an excerpt from the warrior prophet. Kellhus is in the probability trance when the story narrates from his point of view...

Possible worlds blew through him, fanning and branching into a canopy of glimpses...
Nameless Schoolmen climbing a steep, gravelly beach. A nipple pinched between fingers. A grasping climax. A severed head thrust against the burning sun. Apparitions marching out of morning mist.
A dead wife.
Kellhus exhaled, then breathed deep the bittersweet pinch of cedar, earth, and war.
There was revelation.

pg. 242 TWP
The second reading of this was far more interesting than the first for obvious reasons. i took the revelation to be his decision of this path. any conjecture or speculation on these fortellings are more than welcome. i took the apparitions marching out of morning mist to be the starving inrithi marching out of caraskand. i thought the schoolmen climbing the gravelly beach may be a scene not described in the book (the mandate schoolmen coming to shimeh?). and of course i understand the dead wife to be serwe leading me to believe that kellhus' near death in the circumfixion was at least somewhat forseen. i am kind of getting off topic.

this time by the end of the thousand fold thought, i came to a more firm conclusion of what i believe the thousandfold thought is. i think that it is something very similar to the probability trance only that it is more able and suited to account for what the dunyain describe as the "outside world", which is quite obviously far far more complex. in this trance one can perhaps begin to gain an understanding of not only cause and effect but some of the whys and hows of the past, the gods, the spiritual, the sorcerous and the physical workings of the world. it would still be based on the information one intakes which would explain why moenghus and kellhus come to different conclusions (different tracks). i also speculate that the thousandfold thought is able to not only able to read the past through men, but also through the world at large giving kellhus a far better understanding of the history of cultures, the three seas and his father's path by the end of TTT than he had at any point during the first two books.

anyways, there was a very similar piece of writing in TTT to that i just quoted from the warrior prophet.

For the Dunyain, it was axiomatic: what was compliant had to be isolated from what was inruly and intractable. Kellhus had seen it many times, wandering the possibilities of the Thousandfold Thought: The Warrior-Prophet's assasination. The rise of Anisurimbor Moenghus to take his place. The apocalyptic conspiracies. The counterfiet war against Golgotterath. The accumulation of premeditated disasters. The sacrifice of whole nations to the gluttony of the Sranc. The Three Seas crashing into char and ruin.
The Gods baying like wolves at a silent gate.

pg. 375 TTT

i know that some of these quite obviously are purely future possibilities that will not come to pass, eg: Anisurimbor moenghus taking his place (which is why i think kellhus kills him). but of course after reading the synopsis for the great ordeal the counterfiet war against golotterath stood out.

what do you think? is kellhus already planning to control another holy war for his own purposes twenty years before it marches? again, speculation or clarification of my ideas are more than welcome.... obviously. view post


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