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Is Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. posted 14 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellus the No-God? End of TTT and being in the whirlwind. by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: "Incu-Pacifico":lszthz6t
The end of TTT has to make you wonder. Kellus in the whirlwind of debris (to protect himself from the chorae) sounds suspciously like our buddy the No-God and HIS whirlwind. Is the No God's Carapace in fact this swirling shower of debris?[/quote:lszthz6t]

I'm sure the parallel is intentional. I don't know (yet) what Scott is trying to do though... <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

The whirlwhind was not the No-God's Carapace. It was a nimil sarcophagus (that was encrusted with Chorae as an additional protection). That's why they had to use the Heron Spear to crack it.

The No-God has nothing to fear from sorcery. In fact, if it is true that even the sulphurous godlings (and the gods?) can be harmed by Chorae, it seems Mog might kick their ass as well...

Quote: &quot;Incu-Pacifico&quot;:lszthz6t
Also at one point, Kellus reconsidered the solidity of the Principle of Before and After (at Mengedda, I believe). Could the Consult Tekne research (during the Investitures) in fact be Time Travel research? Were they somehow able to get Kellus to come back in time and through his great power and mastery of Gnosis cause the Apocolypse?[/quote:lszthz6t]

I think this is unlikely. They didn't have (and don't have) the knowledge or the equipment for something like that (time travel). Then I also doubt that Kellhus is/was the No-God.

I remember someone posting a theory where the No-God is Earwa's world-consciousness, traumatized and awakened by the crash of the Inchoroi ark. I happen to like the idea. Especially since it could mean that the No-God, in interaction with Kellhus, might turn out to be the Consult's worst nightmare... Or maybe not. What do I know? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

On the issue of time, it is possible that more than one concept of time could be at work simultaneously. One operating on the plane of the commonplace, and then what we might call 'sacral time'. Or it could mean that time is more of an illusion than a constant.

Consider this quote from TWP. It certainly provides a clue as to what Time might be, or at least what I called sacral time:

Quote: &quot;Teres Ansansius, The City of Men&quot;:lszthz6t
The Poet will yield up his stylus only when the Geometer can explain how Life can at once be a point and a line. How can all time, all creation, come to the now? Make no mistake: this moment, the instant of this very breath, is the frail thread from which all creation hangs.

That men dare to be thoughtless . . .[/quote:lszthz6t]

If the present can affect both past and future, then Time might well be an illusion, something fluid and mutable. Not in the sense that someone might move through time, but that actions of world-importance might shape a different History for both past and future.

Here's a bit I poached from Wikipedia that might answer as an explanation for what time in Earwa is:

Ralph Waldo Emerson considers time as presentness, where past and future are but our present projections (of our memory, hope, etc.). For Emerson, time needs a qualitative measurement rather than a quantitative one.

Quote: &quot;Incu-Pacifico&quot;:lszthz6t
The question remains, what reason would he want this? Well Kellus accused his father of wanting to bring about the Apocolypse. Or more accurately, he said that his father would *have* to bring about the Apocolypse in order to master his circumstances. Now is Kellus stuck in the same trap as his father?

Food for thought...[/quote:lszthz6t]

Well, TTT explained in detail why Moenghus would have to do something like that. Kellhus might be immune because of his mission. After all, do we know that he isn't acting according to what the Outside feels is necessary? Or that at some point Kellhus will not supplant the Outside?

There's a lot we don't really know, to be making predictions. In fact, I think the reasons and motivations of the Consult, the Outside etc. might be simply one layer of revelation, the real meat lying a bit deeper.

After all, it's too convenient for Scott to reveal the &quot;facts of life&quot; in what was nothing but an introductory trilogy. The real story is still to come. And since whether the Consult will win or lose, or whether their convictions (or those of their enemies for that matter) are true all hang in the balance, we can't say much with certainty. At least not on the metaphysics.

In fact, it seems the more Scott tells us, the more still remains to be told, and the least certainties you have.

It sure plays havoc with trying to make predictions. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


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