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Kellhus vs Dune posted 24 August 2011 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Truth Shines, Candidate

Not sure if this is the right place to put this topic, but eh, since the admins are not here...

Anyway. I just finished reading Dune (I know I know what kind of terrible person I am that I've never read Dune before... <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> ). I am aware that there are a few sequels to this so my opinion might change after I read those. But at least so far, it is interesting to compare Paul Atreides to our favorite Dunyain.

I become interested in this because I seem to remember reading some review of The Prince of Nothing on the internets somewhere that compares this work to Dune. So far, I must say PON kicks Dune's ass all the way to Sunday. Paul Atreides is like a Saturday morning cartoon version of Anasurimbor Kellhus <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Sure there are some parallels to the premonitions thing, but Paul's visions are all confused and semi-mystical, which is no match against the elegance and might of the Probability Trance. And if you compare the way he rose to become the leader of the Fremen to the way Kellhus rose to become the warrior prophet, well, there's just no comparison. Paul's rise seems very mechanical and matter-of-fact. It makes sense so far as the story goes -- the planted prophecy, the martial arts prowess, the psychic voodoo and all that do come together for the story to be believable. But in PON, we are not just told there are these things -- Bakker actually shows how the prophecy, the martial arts, and particularly the psychological (not psychic) voodoo works. The mesmerizing sermons, the cannily crafted fireside chats, the subtle manipulations, the horrifying truths... It's dazzling art, glory, spectacle. It's telling that in Dune Paul's big showdowns are physical fights (two rather poorly described knife fights), whereas in PON Kellhus' crowning moment (at least in my mind) is a breathtaking &quot;talking scene&quot; where, after he has been recognized as a prophet, he humiliates Conphas and kicks him out of the Holy War. It shows just how much deeper, psychologically and philosophically, PON is relative to Dune.

Paul and Dune are really like an amateur version, or perhaps a very very very early draft of PON -- a set of interesting ideas, but poorly executed and only thought out in a very shallow fashion. view post


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