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Kellhus, his divinity, and his "good guy" status. posted 13 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his "good guy" status. by superkeer, Candidate

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If someone is manipulated into say... sacrificing their life for instance, when that sacrifice isn't required, but then everything turns out &quot;for the best&quot; where would it stand on the morality scale? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Manipulation can lead to good and positive outcomes, but it is still manipulation. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and all that.[/quote:3165igyz]

Man I wish I'd studied philosophy at some point in my life. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> I don't feel as if I'm qualified to get into this discussion any further, really. I see myself only being able to present a cyclical argument. But, to answer your question: I personally would find the scenario you described to be horrific. An individual manipulated into sacrificing his or her life when it isn't required, is awful. But I think that non-requirement is the &quot;evil-determinating&quot; factor for me. The fact that the situation benefits the greater good, or that it all turns out for the best, is almost irrelevent at that point, because it was a needless sacrifice.

If I turn the situation back to you, I would adjust it this way: If someone is manipulated into say... sacrificing their life for instance, when that sacrifice is essential to everything turning out for the best, and had the individual not been manipulated, the sacrifice never would've been made... where would it stand on the morality scale?

I've never really thought about manipulation in so much depth before. It is an interesting question, whether or not manipulation automatically qualifies as evil, or whether it is dependent on the causes and effects of the reality it brings into view? I suppose it's all a matter of taste. Sure seems deep, either way. view post


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